4 February 2008

Palestinian Moslem suicide bomber kills 1 in Israel

2008 seems like it is going to be a year marked with great turmoil for everyone.

DIMONA, Israel (AFP) — An Israeli woman was killed on Monday in a suicide bombing claimed by Palestinian militants at a shopping centre in the desert town of Dimona, the first such attack in a year.

The blast in Dimona, near the site of Israel's top secret nuclear reactor, was the first suicide bombing on Israeli soil since the relaunch of peace talks at a US conference in November and triggered scenes of panic in the town.

"At 10:30 this morning (0830 GMT) two suicide bombers arrived at the mall," police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told AFP at the scene. "One succeeded to blow himself up, the other one was shot and killed by a police officer."

One Israeli woman was killed and 11 people were wounded in the blast in the open-air shopping mall, medics said.

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a militant group loosely linked to Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas's secular Fatah party, claimed joint responsibility for the attack along with two other groups.

It was the first suicide attack in Israel since January last year when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a bakery in the Red Sea resort of Eilat, killing three people.

Continue reading:
Woman killed in suicide bombing

Further reading: Eilat - Israel's backdoor to Terror


Anonymous said...

yes and what would mohammed think?

do you think he would agree with you?

are you contradicting the koranic injunctions to kill the infidel: especially jews?

if you are not following mohammed's teaching and example you are not a real moslem.

Anonymous said...

better yet:

prove your sincerity and repent of your sin of idolatry in worshipping allah and accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour:

John 3:16

Anonymous said...

i visited your website:

you are dreaming if you think you can reform islam.

just leave it altogether: the bible teaches that islam will be annihilated altogether when the moslems and their western allies are foolish enough to attack israel.

Zephaniah 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

Avi said...

O earth, conceal not their blood! May the names and memories of these murderers be erased.

"Sing aloud, O ye nations, of His people; for He doth avenge the blood of His servants, and doth render vengeance to His adversaries, and doth make expiation for the land of His people." (Deut. 32:43)

Anonymous said...

forrest shalom,

So nothing short of cutting your head off would convince you that we are real Muslims? Not that you'd lose any brains ...

Anonymous said...

Hi Muslims against sharia,

If you are true muslims them you must follow the Medina Quran & Suras & not the Meccan quran & suras. As mohammad abrogated all of the Meccan ones. A little History though I am sure being a true muslim you would know this as well.

When Allah awarded the supposed Prophet-hood to Muhammad, he ordered him to continue the peaceful teachings of Jesus. These instructions came in the initial 87 Meccan Surahs (verses of Quran).
Poor Muhammad toiled with these Suras for 13 years without much success. With these verses, he managed to convert only his immediate family, friends and a few destitute pagans. Others mocked and laughed at him. They called him a fake, a liar and a charlatan.

After his miserable failure in Mecca and not being able to convince even his own uncle and guardian Abu Talib, he went to Taef to preach Islam. They not only laughed at him, they beat him up and chased him out of the town.
Finally Meccans got so sick and tired of his sermons that they told him to take a hike or face consequences. He took a hike to Madina to save his neck.
Allah soon realized that his order of peaceful teachings cost Jesus his life and got Mohammed kicked out of his hometown.

He said enough is enough and decided to abrogate all the peaceful Meccan verses:
2:106 Whatever ayas We abrogate We bring better ones.
16:101And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals.
Allah then decided to try a different approach to make Islam successful. He changed the rules and launched all evil acts, which were previously prohibited.
In his reformed Madina Islam, deceit, torture, murder, assassination, massacre, genocide, pillage, robbery, enslavement and rape were made halal (legal) acts, deserving of paradise, as long as they were perpetrated on infidels.

Allah also changed some social laws from his previous scriptures to accommodate existing Arab customs and habits. He permitted polygamy, temporary marriages (muta), pedophilia, marriage with adopted son's wives, wife beating, and sex with slave girls.
The new Islam became an instant hit. The 27 Medina Suras were able to achieve in a few months what the 87 Meccan Suras could not do in 13 years. Arabs began converting in droves and started gaining Allah's blessings as well as booty and captured women. The rest is history.

So going off these facts, if you are a true muslim you must agree with mohammad & so follow the Medena quran & suras, Yes or no? If you follow the Meccan quran & suras you therefor are not true muslims as mohammad has canceled those verses as you are more than aware of. So please answer us, are you a true muslim who follows the true teachings of mohammad ( hence the Medena teachings ) or are you a apostate to islam. Its that simple, easy really. Every single person that posts on this blog or most of them should I say. Has read up on islam, we have read the books the quran, the Hadith, we know what they say. We have checked the true history of islam, we know what islam is really about. You are either against this evil 100% ( if so you are not or can you ever be a muslim ) or you agree with islam & so as your mohammad says, you have to lie, cheat, steal, rape, kill & suppress all other Countries that are not muslim until islam controls the whole of the earth. Most of the governments of the west may well be stupid, but the normal people of the west are not.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps we should give the Moslems Against Sharia the benefit of the doubt. There are passages in the Koran which, for instance, verify that God promised the Land of Israel to the Jews/Israelites.

Then there are differing interpretations of many controversial Koranic statements.

Let us help those Moslems whose humanity brings them to try and
combat the negative sides of their belief. There are good, in the humane, tolerant sense of the word, Moslems and often suffer heavily for their views.

I say, let their numbers be strengthened and their courage know no bounds, until they overcome & obliterate the evil Islam of the fundamentalist Islamic-Jihadists.

Anonymous Lady

Anonymous said...

soft and hard jihad are part of the one two punch of islam in conquoring the west.

one hand beats you and the other caresses until you are subdued.

forrest shalom

wasn't arafat screeching: 'i condemn terrorism' and all the while propogating it?

forrest shalom

Anonymous said...


"If you are true muslims them you must follow the Medina Quran & Suras & not the Meccan quran & suras."

It is hilarious when non-Muslims teach US how to practice OUR religion. Imagine how stupid we would look teaching YOU how to practice YOURS. Your minute knowledge of Islam is being well overcompensated by your arrogance. As long as our religious practices does not affect others, why should you even care what we do?

Anonymous said...

Muslims against sharia.
Oh boy did you make me laugh. my arrogance,my minute knowlage of islam. What make you think that my knowlage of islam is minute, that is arrogance on your part not mine. I have studied the quran my good fellow & have done so over many years. So my knowlage is not minute to say the least. The information I gave about the Meccan & Medena verses in the quran is absolutly true & can be proven by anyone if they do a simple search on the internet. What you have done is the usual muslim trick as to change what is being said, that is to make an acusatiion against who ever you are debating with. Trying to take the subject away from the facts. I am sorry it will not nor does not work. The facts are what I stated, it is the truth & can be proven to be so. So I aks you again as I did in my first post.

if you are a true muslim you must agree with mohammad & so follow the Medena quran & suras, Yes or no? If you follow the Meccan quran & suras you therefor are not true muslims as mohammad has canceled those verses as you are more than aware of. So please answer us, are you a true muslim who follows the true teachings of mohammad ( hence the Medena teachings ) or are you a apostate to islam. Its that simple, easy really. Please answer the questiion I have asked, do you folow the Meccan teachings of islam that have been abrogated by mohammad or do you follow the Medena teachings that is the true quran.

You can call me as much as you like, you can insult who ever but the facts are this, if you do not answer the question I have aksed then we know that you do in fact follow the Medena teachings of mohammad, so you agree with the truth of islam, the terror, the evil, the rapes, the killings, the slavery, the wife beatings, the child sex ( thying ). Or the Meccan that being the case you are not true muslims as you dissagree with what mohammad has done by abrogating all early verses.

Answer the question Medena or Meccan. What one is it?

Joanne said...

muslims against sharia are deceitful, and I was sent part of the comment that was made by muslims against sharia on another blogger's site, and it entails the f-word, c-word, the s-word in describing the blogger. muslims against sharia managed to take their comments off that blogger's site - I don't know how that can be done, but they do, and if I have to, I'll have that blogger come over and print what they posted because this blogger is in possession of all posts - copied and pasted before the muslims against sharia had the opportunity to take them off the blogger's site.

Anonymous said...

"As long as our religious practices does not affect others, why should you even care what we do?"

Hasn't this been the problem all along? Islam has dominated by force every country once muslims become the majority.

It's all peaceful now when you are a minority, but majority rule = sharia.

Anonymous said...

truthseaker ,

“I have studied the quran my good fellow & have done so over many years. So my knowlage is not minute to say the least.”

If you have, then you must not be very bright. Doctrine of abrogation contradicts doctrine of God’s infallibility. God is infallible, therefore he does not contradict himself. Many verses in “Medina” suras did not come from God.

“if you are a true muslim you must agree with mohammad & so follow the Medena quran”

This is one of your most idiotic statements; you do not have to follow “Medina Koran” to be a true Muslim.

“Answer the question Medena or Meccan. What one is it?”

This is what we follow: http://www.reformislam.org/koran.php

Memories of the Willow Tree,

“Islam has dominated by force every country once muslims become the majority.”

That is why we don’t want to live in a Muslim country. That is why we oppose Islamization of the West.

Anonymous said...

There you go again insulting people just because the speak the truth muslims against sharia. What I stated is the truth & no matter how you try to twist it, it is still the truth. I asked you a question, you have still to answer that question. Though I doubt that you will do so, you see sir. We do know what you as muslims are like, you can try to twist what you say & what others say but the facts speak for themselves. What I said about the abrogated verses is true & no matter what you try to say does not change that. You have done nothing but insult me, call me. I on the other hand have done nothing like that towards you. So again I think that this again speaks for itself about you & what you truly think. I am not going to go to a site that will tell me what I already know, I asked you to give me a answer here on this site. You refuse to do so, I think that answers itself don't you!!!

How about some more of that history from this dumb stupid person who does not know what on earth he is talking about.
The verse that Abrogated (nullified) the Peace Verses.
An example of the abrogation: There are 124 versus that call for tolerance and patience that have been canceled and replaced by one, single verse. This verse is called the verse of the sword:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5

Other verses that were abrogated by the verse of the sword:
Surah 5: 99
Surah 6: 66; 104; 106- 108; 112; 135; 158. Surah 7:183; 199. Surah 10: 41, 46, 99, 108, 109
Surah 11: 121. Surah 13: 40. Surah 15: 3, 85, 88, 94. Surah 16: 82, 125, 127. Surah 17: 54
Surah 19: 84. Surah 20: 130, 135. Surah 22: 68. Surah 23: 54, 96. Surah 24: 54. Surah 28: 55
Surah 30: 60. Surah 32: 30. Surah 33:48. Surah 34: 25. Surah 39: 15. Surah 41: 34
Surah 42: 6, 15, 48. Surah 43: 83, 89. Surah 44: 59. Surah 45: 14. Surah 46: 35. Surah 50: 39
Surah 52: 48. Surah 53: 29. Surah 58: 8-9, 11. Surah 73: 10. Surah 76: 8. Surah 86: 17
Surah 88: 22- 24. Surah 109: 6

8.55, 9.5, 95.5, 9.111 Infidels are worst beasts and lowest creatures and must be killed wherever they are found.
003.181. 8.50, 17.97 : The penalty for disbelievers is Scorching Fire!
8.1,9.5,8.41, 48.20, 4.3,4.24,23.6,33.50,70.30: " Booty is halal. Muslims are allowed to rob infidels. They are also allowed have sex with their captured women which are part of the booty."
24.33, 4.3, 4.24 , 23.6, 33.50,70.30 Your slave girls are your possessions( you can have sex with them, gift them, sell them or ransom them). Just don't force them to sell their bodies to earn you a livelihood. But if you are under a compulsion (hard up and starving), then go ahead do it, Allah may forgive you.

I think that is enough for this stupid person who does not know what on earth he is talking about. Its amazing really, you get all the religions of the world & there holy books, Buddhism they will tell you that you do not need anyone to help you understand there books, that also goes for Hindu's, Christians, Sikhism, Jainism, Shinto, Taoism, Confucianism but islam & muslims always make the claim that any non muslim no matter how long they may have been reading the quran & the hadith. No matter how much study you may have put into that faith. Only mulsims can understand those books, they are the only group that ever say this. So lets see who are the arrogant ones then, us or them. Oh by the way I hope you like your history.

Anonymous said...

Just to add to what I have already said, 7 Things the Islamic experts won't tell you!

About Islam's worldview - The Muslims of Islamic states, and many within the USA, have the tradition of a worldview that divides humanity into two opposing halves. Dar al-Islam, House of Islam, is the zone where Islam rules. The other side is the war zone that is called, Dar el Harb, House of War. This worldview dictates that war will continue between these two sections of humanity until the supremacy of Islam is fully established throughout the earth.

About deceptive revisions of the Koran - There has been a great effort among Muslim translators to enhance Islam's appeal and reputation among people of other faiths. To accomplish this they have adopted a slanted, freestyle method of translating certain sections of the Koran. This is done to veil the truth about their religion's primitive barbarism and contempt for Christians and Jews that is revealed in the original Arabic texts. Here is an example from the new French translation of the Koran in regard to the Jews. It reads, "The people of Israel will be twice destroyed as an innocent victim, and God will reward them by elevating them to great heights." The original translation reads just the opposite. "The people of Israel, after sowing corruption twice on earth for the purpose of dominating other people, will push themselves up into a position of extreme power before being punished by God."

About the Koran's violent verses - The Koran was written in two major stages. These have been integrated and arranged by chapter length as opposed to the chronological order in which they were initially written. The first part was penned in the early years of the Islamic movement while Mohammed was living in Mecca, Arabia. The experts boast the verses from these chapters as proof that Islam is a bastion of peace, love, and tolerance. They avoid references to verses from the second and largest portion of the Koran. It was written after the movement relocated its headquarters to Medina, Arabia, and increased in strength. These verses often reflect religious intolerance and encourage cruel hostility towards non-Muslims. Here are two examples that were aimed at Jews, Christians, and Arabs that clung to traditional tribal polytheistic beliefs. - So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…. (Koran 9:5) The only punishment of those that wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut-off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned…. (Koran 5:33)

About the stage of weakness/the stage of strength strategy - The stark differences in the tone of the verses that were written in Mecca and those written in Medina exposes a tactic that has been characteristic of Islam throughout its history. Traditionally, Muslims determine the strength of the religion in various settings as being in one of two states; the stage of weakness and the stage of strength. When Muslims are in the minority and perceive that they are vulnerable, it is their custom to agree to most anything and to be conciliatory towards other religious groups. The moment that they sense superiority in numbers and influence, a form of ruthlessness sets in. They begin to oppress minority religious groups and to demonstrate a blatant disregard for the agreements that they made during the stage of weakness.

About sanctioned lying - Unlike Christianity and Judaism, Islam does not simply make a provision for forgiveness if one tells a lie; it actually encourages lying in certain situations. This is evident in both the Koran and the Hadith. The latter is a collection of Mohammed's sayings and deeds according to his wives, relatives, and companions. Next to the Koran, it is the most important part of Islamic law. In the Hadith, Mohammed was quoted as saying, "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with the exception of those spoken to reconcile two men that are quarreling, for a man to appease his wife, and in war, because war necessitates deception." This is what often makes life such a nightmare for non-Muslim women that marry Muslim men. Without the pangs of conscience, men are licensed to appease their wives with promises which they have no intention of keeping. In addition, within Islam there is the principle of "Al Takeyya." The term means, "prevention". This principle permits Muslims to lie at their discretion whenever they interpret that it is expedient for the influence of Islam or their personal protection and well-being. They justify lying by using the following verse as a springboard for expanded applications of Al Takeyya. "Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless it is done to guard (Takeyya) yourselves against them, guarding carefully. And Allah cautions you against His retribution. And to Allah is the eventual coming." (Koran 3:27) The principle of Al Takeyya is precisely what makes negotiations with Islamic statesmen such a frustrating endeavor for the naïve diplomats of Christianized nations. It is imperative that diplomatic envoys learn that when dealing with Muslims, what Muslim statesmen say is not the issue. The real issue is, what do they mean and actually intend to do in their hearts.

About the depth of hatred for the West - The pro-Islam experts endlessly reiterate that only a small number of Muslims would qualify as West-hating-radicals. The claim is that the majority are peace-loving moderates. This may be true of the majority of Muslims that have immigrated to America in pursuit of economic opportunity. For most of these, strict compliance with the dictates of clerics in relation to the teachings of Islam is secondary to their thirst for prosperity and political freedom. However, their sentiments are not indicative of the majority of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims. The facts are as follows:

Polls indicate that high percentages of our supposed allies in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia support Osama Bin Laden.
Post 9/11, his first name, Osama, has attained a favored name status for newborn male children in a dozen or more Muslim nations. (In some nations 7 out of 10 baby boys are the namesakes of the terrorist).
Numerous Mosques in Islamic states exhibit the photo of Bin Laden as a hero of the faith.
The abbreviated list of nations wherein Muslims mob the streets gleefully chanting "Allah Akbar" (Allah is greater) every time America or Israel suffers from Islamic terrorist activities includes Israel, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Indonesia, Nigeria, and the Philippines. In America, Muslims have been observed doing the same in many convenience marts and mosques. (It may be true that Christianity has a miniscule number of violent radicals; however, you don't find pictures of IRA terrorists hanging in the vestibules of Christian sanctuaries around the globe or hordes of America's Catholics streaming to the aid of their oppressed brethren in Northern Ireland.) The experts can claim that most of the world's Muslims are peace-loving moderates, but the stats reveal that it is the radicals that have the power to influence the hearts and minds of the Muslim masses.

About envy of the West - There are two interrelated spiritual factors for the radical Muslim's hatred for our way of life.

Islamic clerics and political leaders espouse inflammatory anti-Semitic and anti-Christian rhetoric based on the writings and sayings of Mohammed.
The prosperity and technology of nations that are based on Judeo-Christian values embarrasses the Islamic claim of spiritual/cultural superiority and provokes them to virulent jealousy. The premise for Islam's exaggerated sense of spiritual/cultural superiority is built on the widely held Muslim view that they led the world in advances in math, literature and the sciences from 700AD until 1200AD. Many scholars contend that the advances were actually a continuum of the momentum that had been attained, prior to the arrival of the Muslims, by the Persians, Jews, and Christians. A comparison of Islamic nations and other nations gives ample evidence that Islam stifles rather than inspires innovations. No other nations, other than under Muslim rule, that have claimed a history of being fountainheads of cultural advances have ceased to continue as such. Two atomic bombs have not stopped the Japanese. Politically torn South Korea, without oil, has a gross national product of $600 billion. Oil rich Saudi Arabia's GNP is a mere $186 billion. Each year since 1901, the Nobel Prize has been awarded to people that have been distinguished for notable endeavors for world peace and in literature, and for outstanding accomplishments in the sciences. During the history of the Nobel there have been 139 Jewish recipients and well over 200 Christians, but only 6 recipients from Islamic nations. There is nothing lacking in the mental capacities of Muslim people, because they flourish in technology and the sciences when living in Westernized democracies. The objective evidence is that it is the rule of Islam that is the culprit that smothers creativity.

Anonymous said...

“What I stated is the truth & no matter how you try to twist it, it is still the truth.”
I’m not insulting you; I’m describing you. The statement above shows that you are too dumb to understand the difference between ‘truth’ and ‘opinion’. Me calling you dumb is an accurate description, not an insult.

Your questions are also dumb, but let me explain it so even you can understand. What if I asked you which meat you eat, beef or pork, while you eat lamb? But I don’t give you any choices except for beef or pork. Wouldn’t that be a dumb question?

The fact that you’re talking about abrogation even after explained to you that it contradicts God’s infallibility shows that you are really dumb. Any idiot (even you) can copy and paste a few paragraphs about Islam. But he still would be an idiot, not an expert.

Anonymous said...

Still again no answer to the question I asked, Answer the question Medena or Meccan. What one is it?

Your insulting only goes to show all who are reading this that you do in fact agree with mohammad & all he said.

I find you reply s to me very laughable indeed, your try at attempting to to show yourself as being a intellectual is one big joke. That is what you are doing in your reply s, showing yourself up as one big joke. As I have said I do not care what you call me, how you call me, what you say. I could not give a toss as I have shown what is in the quran & what mohammad said & did as lots of others have on this blog.

You will not win, you will not take over this country, you will be sooner or later put in your place & stopped dead. As I have also said by not answering the question you have in fact answered it & shown us exactly what you do think & believe. I am now going to stop replying to you as its a waste of my time.

Thank you Joanne for your comments & as you shown yourself, we all know what these people are like. They can not debate, they insult. They can't accept the truth, they try to twist it with lies. What sad sad people they all are.

Anonymous said...

"Still again no answer to the question I asked, Answer the question Medena or Meccan. What one is it?"

Which part of both don't you understand? Our Koran (http://www.reformislam.org/koran.php) does not contain contradictions. We removed the violent verses from Medinian part, Meccan part is mostly intact. This allows us to follow the whole Koran, not just Meccan part.

Anonymous said...

Despite what the leftwing press in the UK would like to lead you to believe but there is people here who support Israel and her fight against terrorists.

My sympathies goes to the family of the poor woman who was killed in this terrorist attack.

Anonymous said...

This comment trail is a true tour de force.
Truthseaker has set out in detail what the problems are between the West and Islam.
Joanne and Anon Lady and Forrest have detailed the religious perspective.
"Western values" are based on developments from the Judeao Christian past of our Nations, and indeed the pre-history of the British and European peoples of the Celtic Iron Age, and before that, the Bronze Age of more than 1500 years B.C., which was contemporaneous with much of the Old Testament.
These have been freely developed, improved, fought over and denied or accepted.
This is a continuous process that stared with the earliest Greek pre-Christian philosophers, and even earlier.
Muslims against Sharia is a new organization, and is at the very start of the Reformation of Islam. That puts them in great danger as potential apostates.
The West however cannot wait for several millennia for that reform. The majority of Islam are closer to the "hellfire and damnation" aspects of Islam.
Goos luck to them, but we cannot wait for the defense of the West to continue.
Such erudite discussions guarantee that this blog and many others will continue, for the Authorities in their vain attempts to muzzle the truth must hope to gain evidence. What is happening is that any jury in any court-case will get to study the compact nutshells of these discussions and will make their own informed judgments on these matters.
The chances of conviction for hate-crimes is receding daily. (well I hope so)Maybe you will be able to take that cup of Rosey Lee soon enough, L.H., G.B.U.
Education is the key.
M.A.S. have their work cut-out for generations to come.
The West must re-establish it's faith in the values that have carried us thus far, in less than one generation.
The quality of the comments on this blog have raised it to new heights, and the strength and vitality of Lionheart's language does not detract from open discussion but draws it into the open, where all best reasoning can take place.
People may be lazy or distracted, but they are not ignorant, and can read between the lines.