Lionheart: Osama Bin Laden Message

8 April 2008

Osama Bin Laden Message

9 comments:

Joanne said...: Blah, blah, blah. Trash eventually just blows away in the wind.; 8 Apr 2008, 22:48:00
BRITNEY BRITISH said...: He said that the publishing of the cartoons was a bigger tragedy than the deaths of women and children in Iraq! That just says it all for the followers of this sick and twisted cult. The worst thing you can do to them is insult their beliefs.

I think if your beliefs are that strong they cannot be insulted. Also, it is when someone is about to crack and admit fault that they insist on being left alone the most.; 8 Apr 2008, 22:54:00
Anonymous said...: Carpet bombing is very effective.; 9 Apr 2008, 09:37:00
defender said...: “Dear Muslims,

We think it is time to state openly that we are enemies. Many honest people on your side have already done that, it is about time that we follow suit.

We have followed your advice to concern ourselves with Islam by now. We have seen Obsession [and meanwhile “Fitna” as well], we have read Bat Ye´Or and Robert Spencer, we have seen the video messages by Osama Bin Laden and heard the statements by Islamic scholars from all over the world - especially from Kairo´s Al Azar University - and also by Mr. Ahmadinejad. Particularly during the so-called Cartoon Affair, we have also listened to the very impressive voice of the ordinary Islamic Joe. We have busied ourselves with studying our common history and we have used our god-given reason to draw comparisons to the present.

We have come to think that we have to apologize for our comportment which we have shown while we did not know all of the above. It was our fault, not yours, that we remained without interest in and knowledge about you. We also apologize for bothering you for ages with a “dialogue”, in which you were rightfully annoyed about our cluelessness, and in which we insisted on turning you into something Christian-like. We especially apologize for those amongst us who have promoted the term “Islamism” to denigrate the most righteous and Qu´ran-abiding Muslims. The attempt to explain to you your own religion (”Islam means peace”) was a serious faux-pas, and hence we understand that you were often angry about our arrogance. It is arrogant indeed to bend other peoples´ religion into a shape which pleases one better. We cannot blame you for adopting the term “Islam means peace”, since we know that your prophet Muhammad himself has advised you to take to lying when the infidels are too strong to be subdued by military means. Who are we to counsel you to challenge your prophet!

We outrightly acknowledge that you have studied us and our culture more extensively and understood it better than we yours. We also acknowledge (in hindsight, now that we know your goals and the methods advocated by Muhammad to achieve them) that your course of action was mostly straightforward, while our actions often consisted of haphazard stopgap measures.

Alas, by now we know what you want. You want to expand the Dar al-Islam at the expense of the Dar al-Harb and, in the long-run, install the rule of the Islam over the world. We also know that your method is called Jihad, and we are not that oafish to believe that Jihad only means violence. No, you are certainly not that primitive. Jihad also encompasses demographic efforts, migration, Da´Wa (proselytization), Taqiyya (deft lies), propaganda and the use of economic power (petrodollars). Furthermore, we also believe you that an inner Jihad exists, the individual effort to lead a life agreeable to Allah. That is your private affair and does not belong in our dialogue. We are not bothering you with the contents of our prayers, either. But of course we do not believe that the inner struggle is the only meaning of Jihad. We are not blind and your holy scriptures are fortunately available for us to study.

We also recognize that your community is divided in the question whether terrorism is currently an adequate or contraproductive means to achieve your goals. We do not want to get involved in that, strategic and tactical issues you have to solve yourself. Maybe it comforts you that we are also beginning to discuss the Jihad-defense under purely strategic and tactical aspects, and that we no longer consider which method may be more agreeable to you, but which is more agreeable and promising to us.
We truly hope that you realize with your god-given intellect that we cannot approve of your goal, which is the global islamization or at least the islamization of Europe and Israel. We regret to inform you that we want to frustrate and will frustrate your every attempt with every means at our disposal. Mind you: We do not want to argue you out of this goal - it is not ours to alter your religion and we also know that we could not do that even if we tried. We know that your faith is strong and that you are humble servants of Allah. We will no further interfere in the setting of your agenda, we will only prevent you from achieving your goal.

You know that infidels defend themselves against you. Islamic warlords of days past knew well that the infidels showed no inclination to live under Islamic rule. If they had not known that, they would not have sent armed soldiers, but friendly missionaries. You still know that today. If you were expecting that Israel´s Jews were wishing for the islamization of their country in the form of a Islamic-governed Palestine with the possible toleration of a reduced jewish Dhimmi-population, then you would not have to blow them to pieces or undermine their morale with rocket attacks and nuclear threats by Teheran. Then you would just have to make them the offer and wait for their enthusiastic approval.

Due to our inexcusable ignorance of your religious duties, we in Europa have not realized in the past that you also want to islamize our countries. That is why your progress towards this goal - in comparison to your efforts towards Israel - was possible almost without terrorist violence. He who lays down on the mattress does not get ravished. He who lets himself get conquered deliberately does not force the conquerors to use armed force. We are sorry to tell you that we are no longer willing to let us get conquered willingly.

Unfortunately, a huge number of your colonists have already settled in our countries. We know that many of them are unaware that they serve as colonists and that - certainly to the chagrin of the righteous amongst you - they just want to live a comfortable life without any interest in Jihad. But that is your problem. We cannot see any reason why we should lead a dialogue with nescient individuals who do not notice that they are pawns for our conquest. Unfortunately, it is not possible for us - due to your obligation to Taqiyya - to discern the truly peaceful from the pious liars, as we do not possess the necessary mind-reading ability. Furthermore you certainly understand that it is impossible to lead a dialogue between two vast groups like the Umma and the West by having millions of private discussions with scattered individuals. We have to lead this dialogue on the grounds of our and your ideological alignments - with those who take them seriously, and not with unorganized, lax individuals.

So what is it we are supposed to do?We infer from the statements of islamic organizations and islamic individuals (and their hostile behaviour) in our countries that muslims do not like us and do not feel comfortable in the West. That is OK with us. We do not like them either. We shall continue to do what these people critisize as “discrimination, racism and islamophobia”, for instance we will keep the antic of assigning jobs by qualification and not by a religious quota, and we will continue to insist that our laws must be adhered to. We know that our laws are wrong in your opinion, as they contradict the Sharia - but we want to keep them nevertheless.
We would like to serve the issues at hand peacefully, but if pressed we can also get nasty. We are not as nice as our political correct compatriots have regrettably claimed us to be. We are of the same species as you and we also can bring very ugly aspects to bear. We hope that you can appreciate our squareness to which you were sadly not used to so far.

We also do not really appreciate that our economies pay dearly for oil from Islamic countries, while at the same time they support Islamic migrants, who we do not need for anything, through social welfare with an ever-rising tax burden.

Our offer: We carry on paying for oil, but expel Islamic welfare receivers and criminal Muslims and cease our support payments completely. We realize that the widespread presence of Muslims in Europe furthers your goal (the spread of Islam) - but you certainly acknowledge that it does not serve our goal (deny the spread of Islam), but that it is proving to be more and more counterproductive.

We suggest that you accept the expulsions and that we in turn refrain from exporting our vexatious lower classes - especially the neo-nazis - to the rich OPEC countries. We also commit ourselves not to preach Christianity “with the sword”, that is, with modern Hi-Tech warfare, in your countries. We could do that basically - we have done it in South America, and a bloody mess it was - but we do not want to do that anymore nowadays. Still, we reserve our right to intervene militarily if your military development threatens us, and “us” includes Israel.

And this is not a challenge to a verbal pissing contest of our and your military capacities. We think it uncomely to say the like or even boast with our superiority, that is an important part of our culture. Yet you will understand that we, of course discreetly, take inventory in this matter and humbly ask you to do the same.
We would be glad to solve all our problems without war and violence, and hence we suppose that you diligently calculate your chances of achieving your goal, which is diametrical opposed to ours and which we will not discuss further, through military/terrorist means or through migration.

We are looking forward to an honest answer.

Should you, contrary to expectations, prefer to solve matters with violence against people - that includes Israel, which is a part of the West - we are forced to react violently. Your laments in this regard we will register, but we will neither believe them nor take them into account. We are also prepared to unflinchingly take violence against certain things (national flags, puppets of our leading politicians and religious authorities), as we are glad to leave you an outlet for your therapeutic vent of anger. We are not inhuman. But burning embassies and every kind of violence against people we will henceforth consider as a declaration of war.

Best regards,

Your enemy, the West.”

http://uppompeii1.uppompeii.com/2008/04/09/what-the-west-should-say-to-the-islamic-world--posted-on-the-transatlantic-conservative.aspx; 9 Apr 2008, 11:03:00
Celtic Crusader said...: they say 'peace' but it is on their terms- which means being allowed to get on with the abuse they mete out to women and other weaker men in their own societies. it is a bully cult for bullies- the weaker people being on the receiving end of their savage bullshit. and because the west is getting in the way and pointing out in a very minute way the shittyness of their cult- they dont like it. as i've said before, darkness hates the light and universe of darkness is pierced by scintilla of light.

they are now trying to spread their bullydom wherever there are adherents to their cult - right here in the west and they have temerity to now want westerners to cow-tow in their own countries. And to some large extent ity seems to be paying off- their bullying is paying off because we westerners have become soft indulgent, ill-disciplined pratts more concerned when a foreigner is slighted than when one of our own is killed. Well there will be a price when the appeasement of these bullies is allowed to continue- as there always is with bullies who are allowed to plod along unchallenged.

personally i think bin laden is dead. As the video says its what you see not what you hear- yeah thanks for that arabic nugget, if we go by this moo-ham-mad'un then ...we hear him but we havent seen him. the fucker is dead. There making mileage of his name.

one other thing - islam and its bullies -

GO FUCK YOURSELF

this is one who thinks m00-hamm-maad was a lying cheating, raping, warmongering, paedo

and islam propagates such practices

so

FUCK ISLAM.; 9 Apr 2008, 14:16:00
Lionheart said...: Amended:

CEltic Crusader said:

they say 'peace' but it is on their terms- which means being allowed to get on with the abuse they mete out to women and other weaker men in their own societies. it is a bully cult for bullies- the weaker people being on the receiving end of their savage bullshit. and because the west is getting in the way and pointing out in a very minute way the shittyness of their cult- they dont like it. as i've said before, darkness hates the light and universe of darkness is pierced by scintilla of light.

they are now trying to spread their bullydom wherever there are adherents to their cult - right here in the west and they have temerity to now want westerners to cow-tow in their own countries. And to some large extent ity seems to be paying off- their bullying is paying off because we westerners have become soft indulgent, ill-disciplined pratts more concerned when a foreigner is slighted than when one of our own is killed. Well there will be a price when the appeasement of these bullies is allowed to continue- as there always is with bullies who are allowed to plod along unchallenged.

personally i think bin laden is dead. As the video says its what you see not what you hear- yeah thanks for that arabic nugget, if we go by this moo-ham-mad'un then ...we hear him but we havent seen him. the fucker is dead. There making mileage of his name.

one other thing - islam and its bullies

this is one who thinks m00-hamm-maad was a lying cheating, raping, warmongering, paedo

and islam propagates such practices

so; 9 Apr 2008, 14:30:00
Joanne said...: When you look at western civilization, it has only been the last eight to ten years, in my neck of the woods, that Muslims have been visually prevalent, and it has been since they have entered western, primarily Christian countries that the west has made such an effort to accommodate a people who have no desire or intention of assimilating. Just look at the Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, whoever, who have all assimilated and have not threatened their western counterparts with dominance and terrorism. Everything has gone haywire in western civilization since and because Muslims have immigrated into our countries. No other religion demands special concessions in all walks of life in western Christian countries. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out why. Islam rules Muslims through Sharia Laws, and Muslims are intent on everyone submitting to Islam's laws. It is so blatantly obvious that it defies logic that so many are so blind.; 9 Apr 2008, 18:06:00
Anonymous said...: I fully agree with the above statements, Defender says it all.

joanne. you have great spirit.
LH...... keep going.
Celtic...Nail on the head.

So many questions:

why has this government caved in?

Why does this government not listen to its people?

How do we wake them up?

Answers on a post card to...; 10 Apr 2008, 00:47:00
Celtic Crusader said...: templar1119 you ask the right questions.......very important that we all keep asking keep questioning especially with piercing, poignant questions.

islam and its adherents want us not to speak out and point out what is wrong with it. I cannot - or we cannot mention the word muslim anymore, however i will define it so that i can.

a muslim who adheres to the koran, hadiths and suras and sees mohammeds teachings and way of life as exemplary and seek to emulate it - they are proper muslims or 'muslims proper'

others who profess to be muslims but deny the extent and exclude the extent of savagery, criminality, and instructional violence and seek to deny or downplay it are simply not living up to the requirements from islam, the koran and mohammeds example and are therefore not muslims proper. They are watered down people from a muslim background who defend islam without living islam. they are not muslims.

so when i use the word muslims you know it is those who are influenced and practice the flawed violent teachings of islam.

it is a fact - the koran and the other literature upon which islam is based has many, many instructions for violence, rape, enslavement, war, lying, and the duty to spread the duty to conquer all lands and people who are not islamic. And they are not only allowed but instructed to do so by any means. There is nothing unfactual about these statements Any legal power can argue otherwise- and they will lose their case. So that is how i can use the term flawed and violent teachings of islam- because it is not some hate-filled subjective rant. It is a rational, object oriented, logic mounted argument based on fact. Therefore although these are not hysterically hate-filled irrational statements. I do have cause and the RIGHT to have a rationally based and logically derived hate of islam - based on the facts presented to me by that cult. The same way i can hate communism or pol potism. Because of their enslavement of humans and the restraint of the human condition.

so - keep questioning and keep voicing your opposition and why you have a rational logically derived hate (no it is not dislike) it is hate of islam. I say this like this to reclaim the english language and to be allowed say I love chocolate cake rather than i approve of it- the same way i hate islam rather than disapprove or dislike it. I do not hate muslims but i hate what they espouse and practice as defined by all their own teachings, books, moo-ham-maad and his examples.

so **** islam.

celtcrusader.; 10 Apr 2008, 12:29:00

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