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FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE IDIOTS WHO PROTESTED AGAINST THE RETURNING SOLDIERS DO NOT PRAY AT THE RECENTLY BOMBED ISLAMIC CENTRE.
HOW DO I KNOW THIS . BECAUSE I PRAY AT THE ISLAMIC CENTRE AND I KNOW 100% THAT THESE 20 EXTREMISTS WHO PROTESTED ARE BANNED FROM OUR MASJID.
SO PLEASE DO NOT PUT US ALL IN THE SAME BASKET.
IF YOU MR LIONHEART WANT TO INFORM ANY OF YOUR MATES WHERE THEY REALLY DO HANG OUT I WILL GLADLY TELL YOU.
THEY HAVE A ROOM UPSTAIRS OF THE RESTERAUNT CALLED KARAHI CENTRE.
THEY PRAY FRIDAY PRAYERS AT FARLY HILL WITH THE TURKS
SATURDAYS THEY HAVE A PLACE UP IN BEDFORD, WHICH I WILL TRY TO FIND OUT WHERE.
SO WHICHEVER IDIOTS BOMBED THE ISLAMIC CENTRE, YOU HAVE THE WRONG PLACE BECAUSE AGAIN SAYFUL AND HIS CRONIES DO NOT PRAY HERE AND ARE BANNED FROM HERE. WE HATE THEM THEM 20 FOOLS AS MUCH AS YOU DO.
SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
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If this really is those from within the recently fire bombed Islamic cultural centre, and they really do mean what they say then you have to respect them for it.
But!!!
This to me, is the only proof they mean what they say, and that is to give the police all of the intricate details needed to have these recruiters to the militant cause of Islam within Luton, to the security services so they can be removed from the streets, or of any other planned Al Qaeda attack.
Places where they pray is common knowledge to the local Islamic community and security services.
What they actually do, which would mean they should be locked away from society for a very long time, is a different matter.
A Question: Are all professed forms of Jihad, exactly as conducted by Mohamed himself, acceptable to the ideology within your Mosque, or have you removed his conquering Jihad to live in Christian England, and thus become Apostates of Islam?
What is your take on this?
Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.
Koran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Books (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Further reading: Islamic peace
You either remove the conquering Jihad from your belief system, or at the core you are the same as Sayful Islam, but just have a different way of going about it.
Same goal, just a different direction in getting there.
You know you can never reform Islam because of the 'enforced dogma' over Jihad and your ultimate goal that is written down in your books, the same as Christians we have our ultimate goal that is written down in our Holy Book.
Completely separate understandings of reality, the world around us, and the path into eternal life for the human soul, and only one belief can be right.
If you are a peaceful, life loving person then Jesus' spiritual life is the example you should follow, so take a read of his life, but read it removed from the Islamic belief that because Islam came after Christianity it must be right. Anyone can come after someone else and copy something, and make people believe it is the real thing, it is called counterfi. But if you are a dark human being then you will follow Mohamed because you will believe and accept his madness, whilst living as a man used by dark forces in the 7th century.
Look at his life, he was a blood thirsty warmonger who chopped off several hundred heads in a day, conquered lands, and married a child when she was 6 and had sex with her when she was 9.
How can any human want to follow this mans example in the 21st Century?
Moslems are already living like this in their communities in our country, and the Islamification process is well underway for Moslems to live the way Moslems are supposed to live, which is from a position of supremacy over the infidel, with us all living as Dhimmi's. The subversive take over of our National infastructure is happening now, so what will it be like for our children and grandchildren in 50 years from now if this is all happening now?
Watch this video: Moslem Labour MP - A future Moslem Parliment and PM
People need to wake up to this reality that is now in their midst, most do not have a clue as to the type of people they have living side by the side of them. Ones who want to take their country over and enforce Sharia law upon the population.
Watch a few of these videos which should give you a glimpse: Glen Jenvey
I await with eager anticipation, a response from the author of the statement.
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"FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE IDIOTS WHO PROTESTED AGAINST THE RETURNING SOLDIERS DO NOT PRAY AT THE RECENTLY BOMBED ISLAMIC CENTRE."
Who says the person or persons who may have arsoned the centre have anything to do with the above-mentioned event. The author of above has automatically decided for himself that this is payback for those protesting Muslims.
"IF YOU MR LIONHEART WANT TO INFORM ANY OF YOUR MATES WHERE THEY REALLY DO HANG OUT I WILL GLADLY TELL YOU."
What does this have to do with Lionheart or his friends and why is this person suggesting it does? Why is this fellow implicating Lionheart?
Maybe those 20 so-called 'fools' they hate decided to burn their centre down. It seems like they are willing to rat them out at the drop of a hat.
Islam can not be reformed, only completely removed off the face of the earth. Whatever it is that muzzies find "peace"ful in the kkkoran, was only stolen from the Torah, Haf Torah and the Brit Chadasha (Bible) and then perverted.
Islam can not be reformed if it was stolen and perverted to begin with!
LH--
Thanks for sending this link. It is thought-provoking.
I wanted to send this link to a post about you.
"Luton, England Islamic Centre Fire Bombed: Lionhart's Hometown"This expresses my view of the situation, too.
That aside, you know I have discussed with you the virtue of discernment and how long it takes to mature and develop...because the West is infected with a virulent strain of Salafist Islam, fueled by Saudi money, I simply cannot make the "all Muslims are bad" jump. All the ones who are killing people are definitely evil.
I think it will take at least a generation for things to settle out and we can really see where we've been in all this. By then, oil may be a trickle, new fuels may be on the horizon (see what the Israelis are doing in the development of new solar panels).
In addition, did you know that native European births are finally on the uptick? *no one* predicted that. And Muslim births are dropping, even in England.
Ah, prayer. 'Tis a wonderful occupation to engage in whilst we wait for things to change.
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As for what Islam "stole" from other religions...as Proverbs reminds us, there is nothing new under the sun. The Jewish scripture was 3,000 years or more in the making...a long oral history and then the tying together or many strands of belief about G-d.
Christianity improvised on Judaism, especially after the Fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The spread of Christianity into all of the ME, Africa, China, Turkey, etc., was in full swing by 200 AD.
And,of course, we can't forget our own Western strain, a blend of Paul's Hellenism and Rome's Latin thinking.
Isn't it odd to think how much Rome's version of Christianity influenced England before there was an England, and how it died back, only to be revived by the Irish monks?
Sail on, you're in my prayers.
How utterly predictable that the Muslim community would attempt to link the firebombing of the Islamic Centre to Lionheart.
Does this action of arson bear any of the hallmarks of Lionheart's campaign to date?
Or of those he speaks out against?
I agree completely with Joanne here. This stinks of Muslim attempt to discredit Lionheart while striking a blow at those amongst them who didn't support their shameful protest at the homecoming soldiers event.
moderate islam? No such thing. A bit like mild cancer of the liver. We often hear our "leaders" gobbing off about muslims who do not understand their own religion. They are partially correct. But the ones that DO understand it,are the terrorists. They understand it perfectly.
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Good response Lionheart. Tell them how it is. The problem is not our culture but theirs. We do not cry out for their blood but only against their stupid reasoning which they get from their koran. Mohammed was a brigand and a mass murderer whose racist koran continues teaching men to behave like crazy animals. I wish our police could grow some balls and remove this disgusting ideology from our streets!!! The police should not be forcing us to tolerate the disgusting and hateful koran!
Excellent response, but do not begin to trust a single Muslim or any who claim apostacy from Islam.
Lessons learned from some of the Russians who came to trust some of the Taliban who claimed apostacy - they ended up dead.
There are strong indications that this was an insurance-job.
The letter threats were fake.
The burnt out car was ared-herring.
It was an insurance-job.
A good cop would check their insurance-policy to see if it had the "terrorism damage clause" activated.
A sure indicateor, as few people even know that most buildings insurances exclude terrorist acts.
If this was truly a right-wing terrorist act (as claimed by Centre representative on TV., and not vandalism, or accident, then there will be NO pay-out.
Is it strange that there has been no protest or demonstration about what happened.
Nobody in the area is batting an eye-lid.
The inside word is that it is an opportunistic fraud.
Meanwhile in Luton, a black-man was shot in the back over a big drugs deal. Next day another man was shot in the leg.
Another day in Luton, where the rival gangs are carving up the town for the drug-profit.
Meanwhile, Margaret Moran, Luton Labour M.P. is revealed by the Daily Telegraph, to have claimed £20,000 to do up a house she bought, with her Paliamentary allowances.
The P.M Mr. Brown claims £6000 for a cleaner he let his family use.
Corruption everywhere.
ps. Some of the faces have been at that Centre. They are not known to be "nice-guys."
IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT WHATEVER STATEMENT IS PUT OUT BY MODERATE MUSLIMS LIKE ME, WHO WROTE IN THE ARTICLE REGARDING ME PRAYING AT THE ISLAMIC CENTRE, YOU JUST TWIST AND ATTACK.
IT IS SIMPLE, SOLDIERS RETURNED , BUNCH OF FOOLISH EXTREMISTS PROTEST, SWEARING SHOUTING RUBBISH.
SOMEHOW THESE FOOLISH EXTREMISTS ARE LINKED TO OUR MOSQUE, WHICH WE SAY THEY ARE BANNED,
WHY IS IT THAT WHEN SAYFUL AND HIS CRONIES SET UP A STALL OUTSIDE THE BURY PARK POST OFFICE AND HAND OUT LEAFLETS INCITING RELIGIOUS HATRED , THEY ARE NOT ARRESTED. FUNNY COZ IF I WAS TO SAY WHAT THEY SAY I WOULD HAVE BEEN BANGED UP WITHIN MINUTES.
SAYFUL AND HIS CRONIES ARE NOT PART OF ME , ARE NOT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND CERTAINELY DO NOT REPRESENT ISLAM.
SO MR LIONHEART IN A WAY I AM GLAD YOU HAVE POSTED MY ARTICLE AND IN A WAY I AM UPSET, COZ YOU KEEP TWISTING IT AROUND.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL MEANING , THE TRUE UNDERSTANDING THE VERSES THAT YOU QUOTE MEAN , DONT GO TO SAYFUL AND HIS FOOLS MATES, ASK A REAL SCHOLAR, LIKE PEOPLE AT THE ISLAMIC CENTRE. AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT WHAT SAYFUL AND HIS CRONIES DO ARE NOT PART OF OUR RELIGION ISLAM.
DONT JUST BE ONE SIDE, I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO TRUST ME. BUT LOOK AROUND SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH. BUT NOT FROM THESE FXXKHEADS SAYFUL.
OH YEH JUST TO LET YOU PEOPLE KNOW
MR SAYFUL GOT BUST UP ON BISCOT ROAD YESTERDAY. AND WHEREVER THEY GO THEY BEST WATCH OUT.
BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT MR LIONHEART
OH YEH , JUST TO ADD , WE HAVE GIVEN ALL THIS INFORMATION TO THE POLICE ABOUT SAYFUL AND HIS CRONIES. BUT THATS ALL WE CAN DO AS WELL AS BANNING THEM FROM OUR MOSQUE, AND EVERY OTHER MOSQUE IN LUTON.
Lionhearted thanks for posting this info. It was just a blip on the news programs in America. To many Americans, we don't trust any muslims...not even the purported moderates. Who make thos idiotic claims they just want to live peaceful with us and not cause any trouble. When I first read that posters comment in reporting who did this fire bombing. I immediately got suspicious. Since, muslims are permitted to deceieve and lie when it comes to their war against us.
LH, if anything just pass this information onto your law enforcement officals. Send it to the local cops and then a few more up the chain. Do Not get directly involved, as it might someone is trying to trap you and your cause. Last thing you want is trying to prove you were set up by muslims. Yet, I have a lot of confidence that you know the right thing to do in this matter.
The thing is that muslims need to move away from our lands and leave us alone. They hate what we are, our culture and everything represent. Therefore, the logical move would be for the muslims to remain in their lands. And we all leave one another alone. If trading is necessary, which it is for somethings like oil and food to them. Then we do it at a fair scale and then have no contact with them.
Some commentor above mentioned that in a generation when new energy sources are available, things will be different in how muslims do things. Well, those energy sources of wind, solar even hydrotronics (water) are already available and actually being used at least in America. The thing is like anything that is new and innovative, is it's more expensive than our traditional source of energy (oil and coal). Even nuclear energy is more expensive than coal per kilowatt it gives out.
Going Green is not necessarily better since it's more expensive. The city of Durango, Colorado, was purchasing WIND energy to provide for the cities energy needs. Was also available for public to purchase too for their homes. But, when a conclusive study was conducted. It was ascertained that it cost more than if they purchased the electricity from the COAL plant.
Over time these new and innovative fuel and energy sources will become affordable and even cheaper than what we currently use. Once we use these sources of energy, the muslims will go back to tribal living since they rely on one source for their income. And this will be their downfall unless we go to war with them sooner than that. Which is a very strong probability.
The current situation in the middle east and iran so ambitious in retaining nuclear weapons. All this is a prelude to WW3 in this writers opinion. A war which will be fought in the Mid-East and parts of Europe. I say Europe because, there are so many muslims there and they will lash out. Anytime a war occurs with muslims. The muslims believe it has to do with religion and only religion and they refuse to see the other complexities of what made a war escalate between us and them. Even the Saudi govt. and other sunni nations fear iran and its goals.
Many aren't aware of this. But, prior to Bush leaving the Presidency. He came to an agreement to share our nuclear technology with United Arab Emirates (UAE). To help them become more reliant on nuclear energy since UAE is going to run out of oil within the next 75 years. So UAE is supposedly trying to reinvent itself in boosting its tourism to bring other sources of revenue in and so forth. Now, I can't stand Obama and his way of thinking and doing things. And I believe Obama will make matters worse for America and the rest of the world. But, at least Obama suspended sharing nuclear technology with UAE for an indefinite time span. Last thing any nuclear nation needs to do is share its technology with a middle eastern nation. Doesn't matter what the reason or purpose is for this technology. Iran has no need for nuclear energy which is what they claim it's for. They have plenty of oil. Iran's oil could be even cheaper to it's countryman if they refined it themselves. All they do is export oil and don't have the capabilities to refine oil to fuel. So they actually have to buy the refined product. And if iran decides to close off the Straights of Hormez. That would lead to an all out war too. Even if they did it for a day and re-open it. Just them doing it would affect 60% of the oil moved around the entire planet.
So, muslims have to realize that any coming war is not a war about religion. It has a lot more to do about that. But, the religion will use their religion to get all muslims in an uproar to fight against us. The muslims will have or use any reason to fight us. And since we have the enemy within our borders as LH states so often. This war will be fought on many fronts. Could even happen on American soil too. But, they would be squashed so quickly. We just have to have the stomach to follow through and do what's absolutely necessary to fight these muslims. These people are ignorant, arrogant and extremely stubborn. So, we will have to have the strength and will power to drive home to the muslims that we mean business too. And until we are willing to take this sort of stance the muslims will continue to manipulate matters. What will be the turn point for westerns to realize that we must take a stand and now to protect our way of living. G-D BLESS YOU ALL.
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