7 August 2009

My position over Birmingham 8/8 protest

Foreword: Due to the fact that Chris Renton was the person who set up the original 'EDL' website and was contacted by Talksports Adrian Goldberg through this channel, I was put up as the spokesman for the English & Welsh Defence League and then interviewed by Mr Goldberg at the beginning of July on his radio show.

Due to this interview I have been inextricably linked with the 'English Defence League' and because I no longer want any association with the exisiting EDL group, I have no other option but to publicly state my complete disassociation from the current group.

After all I have been through over the past several years I do not want the disrepute that some of these people are bringing to the cause I am personally involved in and that I have fought long and hard for, so I have no other option but to sever all ties and allow them to go their own way.

Promo video: First Birmingham demo July 4th 2009

The English Defence League that was originally built over many months and eventually set up by myself and others, was hijacked over the last couple of weeks leading up to tomorrow by a bunch of ‘Pirates’ led by Chris Renton, his brother and supported by their ‘Casual’ friends who all gathered around each other and stabbed me in the back.

I have spent the last few weeks trying to save the ‘English Defence League’ name from these people but to no avail, which amongst other things, is the reason why I will not be attending the protest tomorrow and do not want any link made with myself nor the EDL name in Birmingham on 8/8. Any ‘English Defence League’ banners that are visible on the day have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with me, and are the sole responsibility of Chris Renton & Co.

I have absolutely nothing to do with Chris Renton’s fraudulent version of EDL. Those people involved in the organisation of this event know my position and my reasoning for pulling out several weeks ago, because it has all been chronicled for them to read on a private forum.

The Renton brothers caused the initial division and eventual split with myself and ‘Casuals United’ after releasing a statement to a Birmingham newspaper stating the 8/8 protest was a ‘Casuals United’ event and not EDL & WDL even though its was myself who put it in place. I then removed myself from the equation because I no longer believed in the new leadership or direction the protest was moving in. The Renton brothers (Pirates), accompanied by their 'Casual' friends subsequently hijacked the EDL name and have been pushing forward and promoting the protest for the past few weeks, using both of the names.

It has been brought to my attention today that Chris Renton will not be attending the protest tomorrow, so he has caused the division with me and those who I have worked with for many months, leading to the split. He then blamed it all on me, which turned people against me, and then he jumps ship on the day after causing all of the infighting.

Says it all really!

Talk about agent provocateur.

Another thing that has come up over the past couple of weeks, which is another reason why I personally did not want to be on the streets protesting in Birmingham was the significance of the date.

I will not stand on any streets within Britain alongside neo-Nazis, under any circumstances. Someone posing as EDL has been on the extreme far-right website ‘Stromfront’ encouraging their commentators to support them on the Birmingham protest which has already led to negative press coverage of the event.

I will have nothing to do with anyone involved in the extreme far-right neo-Nazi movement because I have Jewish friends, and friends with a different skin colour to my own. This has been much of my reasoning behind rejecting the way things had been directed, and why I have removed myself from any participation of the protest.

Any neo-Nazis present in Birmingham have nothing whatsoever to do with the original 'English Defence League' that I was responsible for creating along with another person who portrays himself to have a Templar heart but then turns his back on a brother in the midst of a conflict (we will have to wait and see!).

The original ‘English Defence League’ is made up of people from all backgrounds and ethnicities, so there is no place for racists or neo-Nazis amongst its ranks.

Islamophobes are welcome though…

A voice for all people living upon the British Isles, who are threatened by Islamic militancy and the growth of Islam upon our shores.

There is a very high probability that the mainstream media are going to try and label this protest as an extreme far-right, neo-Nazi event, but please watch for some of the banners present because that is the real voice of those who initially set out on the journey to create a popular uprising amongst the British people, against Islamic extremism that is now threatening our peace and security.


Further reading: The original reason behind 8/8 protest

Video: West Midlands police about 8/8


Anonymous said...

the only winners in a split in the ranks of the anti extremist camp are those that would destroy our country.

Faith said...

The trouble is we have one angry country but divided into so many factions each with it's own agenda and not one agenda that unites everybody.

We'll end up slamming each other causing disarray within the country.

You are better keeping your own agenda and gathering your own support...we all have family and friends from different races who we love dearly and would never make a stand aginst them. Your agenda is about those who would harm our country and the harmony within and on that I am with you one hundred percent.

The others will only do damage to your cause.

Lionheart said...

I agree Faith, sometimes you have to learn from your mistakes though.

Can be a hard path to take.

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Anonymous said...

Neo-Nazis use the 14 words that makes the brothers to me and most of BNP.

dummy thrower said...

After your interview and support from urban11 etc. You should be arrested for religious hatred. You go against all muslims, which is an un-educated outlook.

After reading Richards outlook of you, i hope the UBA drop you too. You should join stornfront, as you are a front yourself, you either are angry a group has nicked your patch in luton to drug deal, and this is your revenge using as you do anyone you can, or you are a very demented person. Drug dealers come in all colours and races, but you love the word "p@ki" which is boring, as most of the youth in luton are English born, like choudary and co.

Educate yourself first, or get the first boat to usa and join the extremists there. You are a disgrace to use the "Templer" and a disgrace to use "christianity" to hide behind you true views.

Court marshalled and hung would be the order of the day for you, good job you have the human rights to hide behind like you buddy anjem,.. two peas in the same pod im afraid.

Lionheart said...

Everyone who reads this blog knows that the neo-nazi 14 words have no place within my view point whatsoever.

View points are there to be debated for the uninformed to form an opinion.

Please click the link to see the meaning of the 14 words.


Furthermore, I am sure that the vast majority of the people who vote do not adhere to that ideology. Most of the 1 million who voted them into Europe i would expect have no clue as to the belief of this extreme fringe minority who are seeking to ride on the coat tails of the parties rising popularity.

Anonymous said...

Who you kidding I have been in and around BNP for 8 years 14 words is becoming one of their words more and more each day.
Go in any BNP pub and listen?
Look up BNP fallen list many pages all blacks killing white people.
It is clear your not going out much perhapps you should. Neo-Nazis are using 14 words to bridge with BNP people who have had enough.
People like myself who would have never listen to Nazis now are because they care more for their own.
Just as blacks and browns and yellows do and there is nothing wrong with that not when the world is clearly fucking up big time AND ww3 is on its way soon.

Highlander said...

I think some of you need to learn first how to spell TEMPLAR and secondly, what and who the Templars were, who they fought for and who they fought against. Paul is trying to fight as a Templar would have fought and against the right ememies of your country, whether English born or not. Neo-Nazi's and resident Jihadist have not right to exist, let alone tell other countries how to live and to obey Sharia law before the legal laws of England or any other country.

Not blinkered said...

Ah it would seem Lionheart that you are somewhat upset, that Zionism will always be opposed, always…

Faith said...

The fact that we have so many different groups and ideologies in this country springs from democracy. We still have freedom of speech and freedom of thinking, none of us are ruled by one supreme voice or being.

We are allowed to form our own opinions although should we carry out acts that arise from that opinion that would cause harm to others irrationally then we are curbed by the law.

This is how it is in this country but we now have the threat of a religion called islam that would demand that it's followers, whatever is in their hearts, stand under the one banner and do the bidding of the supreme voice.

The fraudulent EDL chaps have their own opinion because they can, in this democratic country. We don't have to stand with them because we can refuse.

God forbid they do no harm to innocent peaceful people..God help us all to keep our country democratic.

gatesofvienna said...

Islam will have success due to all this right left rubbish.
Channel4 showed a clip on the news.
Muslims i assume Asians, around 9 kicking hell out of a guy on the floor.
The EDL was mention islamic group plus anti racists- whom i assume are the Antifa thugs.
For the sake of this country educate yourselves and stop falling into the trap set for you!!

He championed the rights of workers, regarded capitalist society as brutal and unjust, and sought a third way between communism and the free market. In this regard, he and his associates greatly admired the strong steps taken by President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal to take large-scale economic decision-making out of private hands and put it into those of government planning agencies. His aim was to institute a brand of socialism that avoided the inefficiencies that plagued the Soviet variety, and many former communists found his program highly congenial. He deplored the selfish individualism he took to be endemic to modern Western society, and wanted to replace it with an ethic of self-sacrifice: "As Christ proclaimed 'love one another'," he said, "so our call -- 'people's community,' 'public need before private greed,' 'communally-minded social consciousness' -- rings out.! This call will echo throughout the world!"

The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many of the Muslims of his day. He and his associates had a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state. They also considered the possibility that Christianity might eventually have to be abandoned altogether in favor of a return to paganism, a worldview many of them saw as more humane and truer to the heritage of their people. For he and his associates believed strongly that a people's ethnic and racial heritage was what mattered most. Some endorsed a kind of cultural relativism according to which what is true or false and right or wrong in some sense depends on one's ethnic worldview, and especially on what best promotes the well-being of one's ethnic group

There is surely no doubt that the man Feser describes sounds very much like a mainstream Leftist by current standards. But who is the man concerned? It is a historically accurate description of Adolf Hitler. Hitler was not only a socialist in his own day but he would even be a mainstream socialist in MOST ways today. Feser does not mention Hitler's antisemitism above, of course, but that too seems once again to have become mainstream among the Western-world Left in the early years of the 21st century. See here for more on that.

Read this very detailed article from a guy with no reason to speak falsehoods.


I am shocked you have no mention of the Christians this week burned alive in Pakistan.
Also the Nigerian Churches destroyed.
Plus the news that Bangledesh wants a Christian free country!

For those that think it can't happen here, IRAN thought that once upon a time.

Joanne said...

The protests should be open for all who are against the religion, Islam and its Sharia Laws taking over the Laws of Britain. It should be open to any person, and have no particular group affiliation, and if the socialist media in Britain wants to label it as 'whatever', then so be it, because they will label any movement against Muslim extremism as the work of Neo-Nazis, fascists, bigots, Islamophobes, etc. regardless. Who cares?

You'll never be able to control who comes out to protest, so why bother trying. Stipulate it is a peaceful protest and any violence perpetrated is upon the heads of those who cause any violent act.

If Muslims want to live under Sharia Laws, then why are they living in Britain, when Britain has its own laws, of which the two have nothing in common, if they didn't want to change the laws in Britain? Muslims are already allowed to govern themselves for a variety of items in over 85 Sharia Courts in Britain, and it won't be long before all Muslims will be governed under all Sharia Laws, because of the panty-waist socialist parasites in the government who appease them no end. You cannot have a nation where the people are governed under two different set of laws that completely oppose one another without all hell breaking loose.

Just take a look at this site - thereligionofpeace.com - to see that Islam is at war with Christians and Jews right now and are on a daily basis slaughtering Christians and Jews. We are already at war with Islam, but it seems our side is too stupid to realize it. Wake the Hell Up!

Anonymous said...

Well they rioted and judging by the coverage I've seen the Muslims had a field day kicking the shit out of the protesters while the police arrested the people taking a beating.

Anonymous said...

Just back from town. Been to watch the Blues..Standing outside a pub with my mates, when some asian kids in a car shouted something & some young kids outside the pub shouted back. Few minutes later, about 40 asian kids turned up for a brawl, thinking we were BNP. Had it off, helicopter filmed it all, waiting for the door to come off on Monday morning now :-( Gutted

Philip said...


He's now a muslim?

gatesofvienna said...

In another [http://www.analyst-network.com/article.php?art_id=3012&page=1] Jenvey states he is withdrawing key evidence in the U.S. DOJ effort to extradite Abu Hamza, "I do not want to give evidence against Abu Hamza. I have contacted the legal attache at the American Embassy in London and withdrawn my 6 page statement, 6 video tapes, and 20 audio tapes which were given to the FBI in New York by the anti terrorism squad and bagged up and sealed in front of me by the police. I have been told that they will have to now destroy the evidence now I have with drawn it. and it can not be used in any way in the extradition case or and trail against Sheikh Abu Hamza. I made this call on the 26th June 2009."

One of the last things Jenvey told me was that he "was a peaceful man."

Given the transformation he has gone through, his obvious rage at segments of a society which he feels has shunned him and now with the revelation that he has withdrawn his testimony and evidence in the Hamza matter, protecting a key disciple of violent jihad, I disagree.

Jenvey is a traitor plain and simple and at this stage in his life his new found Islamism makes him dangerous and potentially violent, capable of untold damage.

Be so advised.

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cruXsader said...

I am American. I've never been to Great Britain. I do keep current with news by reading Lionheart, I Am An Englishman and S.I.O.E. I absolutely agree with Lionheart on this matter. Islam is the enemy. People of color are not the enemy. Blacks, Indians, Asians can be any religion. Whites can be any religion (including Islam). Blacks, whites, Indians, Asians can be Jewish. Judiaism is a religion. Judiaism is not a race, ethnicity. The Jewish religion is not the enemy. Just like here in the U.S. 'extreme' right-wing groups tend to be Neo-Nazi and we know Neo-Nazis hate Jews and in fact sympathize with Islam and Muslim terrorists who kill Jews. So, an organization who wants to save the world from Islam must not HATE or DISCRIMINATE against people of color or Jews because many of them are against the terror of Islam. You must unite all races, colors to save your country against the 'religion of peace'. Same here in the U.S. Now, are all Muslims the enemy? No, only the political/religious doctrine of Islam is the enemy. As Ernst Renan once said: 'Muslims are the first victims of Islam'.

Anonymous said...


Today is the first that I heard about the Birming protest.

Looking at some of the pictures it is obvious that some provocation was caused by Asians (I assume they are muslims), if so, then why are all of the papers not mentioning this at all?


Anonymous said...

I am finding it difficult finding a balanced report on this protest/riot, has anyone got any links please?


Faith said...


There is not much in the press about this...but I think the pictures in the Mail are very telling as to violent actions....esp, the chap in the air seemingly to jump on the chap in the green tshirt..who is later shown with a blood covered face.

Anonymous said...

A friend of mine was in the vicinity (although not on the demo or the Islamic counter-demo). Both sides simply wanted a punch-up and were not interested in anybody's words. To find what a committed Christian should do in that situation, read the gospels to see Jesus' response to a wide range of situations and then ask yourself what you think He would have done. I suggest that He would have quietly absented himself - each evening during the Passover week at the end of which he was crucified, he slipped away having delivered his controversial teachings, before the authorities could catch him. When he was caught and crucified, it was by his choice.

Trouble is, the police were not enforcing the law impartially. The whites got arrested but Muslims doing similar rhings didn't. Until the police enforce the law impartially then I believe this problem will escalate.


jockmcdoc said...

Looks like this went international with it being reported by Reuters and eTaiwan News


Reading the news reports and comments made on other sites, it doesn't look good with reports of cars full of Muslims appearing at will at any given time. I'm afraid it could turn out to be a sign of things to come.

PatriotUSA said...

The enemy is Islam. They come to divide, split and cause major disruption of the countries they immigrate to, from the inside out.

LH, you did the correct thing. It is hard and can be quite painful. As threats against me come, as I lose so called "friends" and family members no longer talk to me, it can be a very tough and lonely road. You are not alone in England, nor from across the globe.
I have many friends, fellow Jews, many Christians, folks of all color and backgrounds. The one thing we all share is the that we see the threat of Islam and sharia law. Quite a few of my buddies are quite liberal yet we can set aside our differences and unite for a common threat to us all, Islam and sharia based law.

To Dummy Thrower: You name fits you well. Just leave the thrower out. What makes you think that we are not educated about Islam, sharia law and all the garbage, violence and death that comes with it? You have no idea about those who comment hear or support LH for
what he is really fighting against.
You are the one who comes across sounding foolish and moronic.
If LH ever did come to the USA he would be most welcome amongst us "extremists" as you so kindly label us. So be it! Call me whatever you want and yes, I am a certified 100% Islamophobe, I like my guns, religion, spirituality and FREEDOM. I gave my life to Lord over 25 yeras ago. I am an a
Constitutionalist and stand on what the Founding Fathers of America laid down as the foundation
for this country of "extremists."

You are entitled to your opinion but to slam and villify LH just proves how low brow you must be.

Court marshalled and hung would be the order of the day for you, good job you have the human rights to hide behind like you buddy anjem,.. two peas in the same pod im afraid.

Yes, your own words filled with rage and hatred.Calling the kettle black, are you not by this. I could use your same tactics but refuse to go there.

Lionheart said...

Dummy Thrower:

1. All religious Moslems who read the Koran behind closed doors every day should also be arrested for religious hatred then, based upon the ideology it teaches its followers to carry towards non-believers, Christians and Jews.

2. “After reading Richards outlook of you, i hope the UBA drop you too”, I don’t know, the only person I see who likes using UAF’s Richard blog to attack me is Dave Smeeton.

I have never worked with UBA or gone to any of their protests, I have met ex-UBA members at March for England events though.

They support me through a link to their website, and an image supporting my free speech battle.


3. You should look at the statistics about the “p@ki” youth and English youth in Luton if that’s what you think.

All heroin in Luton comes from the Pakistani Moslem community in Luton which was the staging post for 7/7.

4. The only extremists who will be leaving British shores are Islamic ones, mark my words!

5. The Templar point has been answered for me, thank you Highlander, and let God be the judge of me over my relationship with Him and not you, my anonymous who hates me.

6. The Templar Order and its leaders were attacked, with some burned at the stake, a court Marshall by someone like you. The Pope and King were dead within 1 year just as told by God’s Knight that it would so.

700 years later the Catholic Church has apologised to the Order.

On whose order is that court marshall from then?

7. The only ones who are fully versed in Human Rights laws are Moslem solicitors working for Al Qaeda.

jockmcdoc said...

Gospeller @ 09-Aug-2009 20:53:00

The police are unable to uphold the rule of law to treat everybody the same as they have been emasculated by the political correctness forced on them by the current government.